ILX Coupe?

lilly · 2013-09-17

Whats the word on an ILX coupe? I saw the renders and heard the chatter, radio silence since.... I don't see what the hold up is, an ILX coupe could be very competitive especially when you consider whos buying the ILX. Most are young mid 20s to early 30s, traditional coupe buyers. I'd say if the Civic wasn't so cheap looking many of them would own Civic coupes, why not give them an ILX coupe? I could be a resurection of the RSX and the Integra... I'd buy one.... Type S please...

cfrp

· #2 · Sep 17, 2013

I'm sure many would buy but it doesnt seem to be happening

Acura has been missing a sports coupe since the RSX.

I think they are afraid of getting into that market because the RSX wasn't as successful as they would like. I still think they should do it.

I'd definitely look into buying one.

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· #3 · Sep 17, 2013

cfrp said:
I'm sure many would buy but it doesnt seem to be happening

Acura has been missing a sports coupe since the RSX.

I think they are afraid of getting into that market because the RSX wasn't as successful as they would like. I still think they should do it.

I'd definitely look into buying one.

Probably won't happen.. It would cost around the same and not sure I would pay the same amount for an ILX coupe.. Might as well get a Scion FR-S imho

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ilx_stylez

· #4 · Sep 17, 2013

I can see a crowd drawn in to a coupe model of the ILX but it depends what changes they make on it from the sedan model. Perhaps a type s model that many were expecting....

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ilxluv

· #5 · Sep 17, 2013

Search term coupe.
http://www.ilxforums.com/forum/9-ac...ion-forum/1161-2015-acura-ilx-coupe-dead.html

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Popeye

· #6 · Sep 22, 2013

Might as well ask for a SH-AWD turbo model; just isn't gonna happen

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cfrp

· #7 · Sep 22, 2013

imagine if we got a car with the new drivetrain from the civic type r in UK

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ilx_stylez

· #8 · Sep 23, 2013

That would be a good change and turbo too!

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AcuraPWR

· #9 · Sep 23, 2013

cfrp said:
imagine if we got a car with the new drivetrain from the civic type r in UK

That would be sweet, I know Honda is working on a totally new sports coupe so who knows, maybe it will use this drivetrain?

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lilly

Discussion Starter · #10 · Sep 24, 2013

AcuraPWR said:
That would be sweet, I know Honda is working on a totally new sports coupe so who knows, maybe it will use this drivetrain?

Indeed they are, but whatever the new sport coupe is i seriously doubt it wears the acura badge or the ILX name... it seems like Honda/Acura is finally realizing allt he mistakes they made in the early 2Ks. First they revive the NSX and now they are reviving the S2000... bring back the Integra, the ILX doesnt cut it

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ilxluv

· #11 · Sep 24, 2013

The ilx is the integra for crying out loud.
Integra type r was a fwd 1.8 dohc with 195hp
Ilx is a fwd 2.4 dohc with 201hp.

Same damn car. Price tag increase with obvious inflation and new technology.
You people will never be satisfied will you?

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ilx_stylez

· #12 · Sep 24, 2013

But... that was 10 years ago. If the integra type r was to of been out now the power would be more and who knows it might even have a turbo on it....

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ilxluv

· #13 · Sep 25, 2013

Why does 10 years suddenly mean it would get more power and a turbo?

Almost 100hp per liter is awesome and honda/acura has always done a great job with it. Be it the type r did do it better; we are just in too different a time to see another integra. Street racing was the cool thing when the integra debuted. Now it's big body sedans and bling. The integra is a thing of the past and though I love it, there are other options similar.

Go import a silvia or buy a BR-Z. There are still companies making comparable cars. Acura is just in the luxury game now. A 2.4 manual is the closest you're going to get to sporty aside from the NSX.

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lilly

Discussion Starter · #14 · Sep 25, 2013 (Edited)

ilxluv said:
Why does 10 years suddenly mean it would get more power and a turbo?

Almost 100hp per liter is awesome and honda/acura has always done a great job with it. Be it the type r did do it better; we are just in too different a time to see another integra. Street racing was the cool thing when the integra debuted. Now it's big body sedans and bling. The integra is a thing of the past and though I love it, there are other options similar.

Go import a silvia or buy a BR-Z. There are still companies making comparable cars. Acura is just in the luxury game now. A 2.4 manual is the closest you're going to get to sporty aside from the NSX.

maybe because just about everything has gotten more power and a turbo in the last ten years...

the Mustang GT went from 260 hp/302 lb ft in '03 to 420 hp/390 lb-ft in 2013. And Mustang even has a turbo option. Acura didn't sell the Integra Type R FOR street racers, street racers just liked it. The Integras and Type R's were popular long before Fast and Furious ever hit theaters.

And first you tell us that the culture of the auto industry is wrong for a return of the integra but then in the same breath you say go buy a BR-Z because its a comparable car to the Type Rs of yore, which one is it?

The ILX is not the Integra Type R, if it was i could get it as a coupe... and just because you're in the luxury game doesnt mean you need to abolish performance and driving dynamics. Theres a little company from Germany that might disagree with you...

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mr.smith

· #15 · Sep 25, 2013

I would be interested in a coupe version of the ILX. I also get why Acura isn't building it though. If the last coupe that they tried didn't work out so well, they don't want to make the same mistake again. I'm not sure if it would increase sales, or if it would just take some of the sedan purchases and turn them into coupe purchases. Probably wouldn't be too profitable for Acura.

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· #16 · Sep 25, 2013

lilly said:
maybe because just about everything has gotten more power and a turbo in the last ten years...
the Mustang GT went from 260 hp/302 lb ft in '03 to 420 hp/390 lb-ft in 2013. And Mustang even has a turbo option.

You can't compare American Muscle to an FWD Import. Ford doesn't care about motor size; if they want more power they can just throw another liter and cylinder or two in the mix and call it a day.
The Acura Type R was pushing nearly 100hp per liter WITHOUT BOOST. You just WONT make more power unless you start adding to the engine size. It seems Honda/Acura is very happy in it's 1.8-2.4 range. Not much more room to make power.
A turbo would yes create power, but now we are talking a higher price tag.
Look at cars with stock turbos; their numbers BEFORE the turbo are horse shit. Pure horse shit. And they price higher than an Integra. Sure Honda/Acura can throw a turbo in their car but the price tag will reflect or performance before boost will drop.
Also keep in mind Mustangs have an image. Acuras dont share that same image. If you want power go buy a mustang.

lilly said:
Acura didn't sell the Integra Type R FOR street racers, street racers just liked it. The Integras and Type R's were popular long before Fast and Furious ever hit theaters.

You misunderstand. Street Racing was becoming larger and larger and the 2nd and 3rd gen integras spoke to that. I never said it had anything to do with F&F. But F&F was probably written due to the same climb in street racers or street race inspired cars.

lilly said:
And first you tell us that the culture of the auto industry is wrong for a return of the integra but then in the same breath you say go buy a BR-Z because its a comparable car to the Type Rs of yore, which one is it?

Yeah, Acura has no want to release a 2.0l 195hp fwd sports coupe. BUT IF YOU WANT ONE, Subaru sells one. THAT is all Im saying. Stop complaining that Acura isn't making what other companies are providing you.

lilly said:
The ILX is not the Integra Type R, if it was i could get it as a coupe... and just because you're in the luxury game doesnt mean you need to abolish performance and driving dynamics. Theres a little company from Germany that might disagree with you...

The 2.0 ilx is the Integra RS/LS/GSR and the 2.4 is the Type R. Just because there isn't a coupe option doesnt mean its similar performance wise. Acura failed with the RSX, people just didn't care for it. But people didnt care about the integra either until after it was discontinued. Acura sees time and time again they release these small sports coupes and no one cares about them until they are hand-me-downs. You can't argue with history and Acura is making all their choices based on their past. The minds behind Acura are far bright then you are I. it's probably about time you realized you don't have all the answers to their problems.

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· #17 · Sep 25, 2013

The 2.0 ilx is the Integra RS/LS/GSR and the 2.4 is the Type R. Just because there isn't a coupe option doesnt mean its similar performance wise. Acura failed with the RSX, people just didn't care for it. But people didnt care about the integra either until after it was discontinued. Acura sees time and time again they release these small sports coupes and no one cares about them until they are hand-me-downs. You can't argue with history and Acura is making all their choices based on their past. The minds behind Acura are far bright then you are I. it's probably about time you realized you don't have all the answers to their problems.

great way to put it, I feel that a lot of brands are unique and the same idea's and processes cannot be applied to a number of brands. Acura has it's unique position in the market, it may not see a ton of buyers from the start, but once they hit the used market, it blows up. Can't say the same for German cars, people just dont want to deal with the problems that come with them.

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lilly

Discussion Starter · #18 · Sep 26, 2013

ilxluv said:
You can't compare American Muscle to an FWD Import. Ford doesn't care about motor size; if they want more power they can just throw another liter and cylinder or two in the mix and call it a day.
The Acura Type R was pushing nearly 100hp per liter WITHOUT BOOST. You just WONT make more power unless you start adding to the engine size. It seems Honda/Acura is very happy in it's 1.8-2.4 range. Not much more room to make power.
A turbo would yes create power, but now we are talking a higher price tag.
Look at cars with stock turbos; their numbers BEFORE the turbo are horse shit. Pure horse shit. And they price higher than an Integra. Sure Honda/Acura can throw a turbo in their car but the price tag will reflect or performance before boost will drop.
Also keep in mind Mustangs have an image. Acuras dont share that same image. If you want power go buy a mustang.

You misunderstand. Street Racing was becoming larger and larger and the 2nd and 3rd gen integras spoke to that. I never said it had anything to do with F&F. But F&F was probably written due to the same climb in street racers or street race inspired cars.

Yeah, Acura has no want to release a 2.0l 195hp fwd sports coupe. BUT IF YOU WANT ONE, Subaru sells one. THAT is all Im saying. Stop complaining that Acura isn't making what other companies are providing you.

The 2.0 ilx is the Integra RS/LS/GSR and the 2.4 is the Type R. Just because there isn't a coupe option doesnt mean its similar performance wise. Acura failed with the RSX, people just didn't care for it. But people didnt care about the integra either until after it was discontinued. Acura sees time and time again they release these small sports coupes and no one cares about them until they are hand-me-downs. You can't argue with history and Acura is making all their choices based on their past. The minds behind Acura are far bright then you are I. it's probably about time you realized you don't have all the answers to their problems.

Why, have i called Acura management out for poor planning? We're on a forum and fueling wide eyed speculation and now you want to bring my intelligence into this? I see what I'm playing with now.

At the risk of being pedantic you asked me why 10 years means more power and bosot, i gave you an example. You can write it off as irrelevant, your business. FYI mustang has lost displacement, it went from 4.6L up to 5.4L for years then dropped back to 5.0L. You can absolutely make more power without adding to engine size, you said it yourself, boost. But besides boost there are many nuances of engine construction that play majorly with engine performance and balance, but that's irrelevant right now.

Also the modern turbo renaissance isn't about power its about efficiency, and the fact that before turbo power numbers are so poor is more reflective of how choked and neutered modern engines are by emission regulations.

You want to know why people dont care about these small cars? Becasue they dont get a chance to. Acuras branding is completely fragmented, Integra to RSX to CSX to ILX now. While its twin has been CIVIC since forever. Do you see how that becomes a problem. Think about it this way, as a person if you were changing your name every few years who would trust you? Why should i get to know someone who cant even be consistent with their identity? I will agree the RSX was unpopular, but the Integra was taken to extremely well. The RSX was unpopular however BECAUSE it replaced the Integra.

See, when you make decisions based on the past you unfortunately aim backwards.

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· #19 · Sep 26, 2013

lilly said:
Why, have i called Acura management out for poor planning? We're on a forum and fueling wide eyed speculation and now you want to bring my intelligence into this? I see what I'm playing with now.

At the risk of being pedantic you asked me why 10 years means more power and bosot, i gave you an example. You can write it off as irrelevant, your business. FYI mustang has lost displacement, it went from 4.6L up to 5.4L for years then dropped back to 5.0L. You can absolutely make more power without adding to engine size, you said it yourself, boost. But besides boost there are many nuances of engine construction that play majorly with engine performance and balance, but that's irrelevant right now.

Also the modern turbo renaissance isn't about power its about efficiency, and the fact that before turbo power numbers are so poor is more reflective of how choked and neutered modern engines are by emission regulations.

You want to know why people dont care about these small cars? Becasue they dont get a chance to. Acuras branding is completely fragmented, Integra to RSX to CSX to ILX now. While its twin has been CIVIC since forever. Do you see how that becomes a problem. Think about it this way, as a person if you were changing your name every few years who would trust you? Why should i get to know someone who cant even be consistent with their identity? I will agree the RSX was unpopular, but the Integra was taken to extremely well. The RSX was unpopular however BECAUSE it replaced the Integra.

See, when you make decisions based on the past you unfortunately aim backwards.

So maybe if they stayed consistent it would have helped. Kind of like BMW with their 3 series, for decades they have used the 3 series name and associated it with a sedan, coupe and wagon. Now just look where it's at, it's in a way an iconic line of vehicles.

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· #20 · Sep 26, 2013

lilly said:
Why, have i called Acura management out for poor planning? We're on a forum and fueling wide eyed speculation and now you want to bring my intelligence into this? I see what I'm playing with now.

I did not mean to "call out" your intelligence. I was simply saying stop acting like you can solve Acuras problems. You can't.

lilly said:
At the risk of being pedantic you asked me why 10 years means more power and bosot, i gave you an example. You can write it off as irrelevant, your business. FYI mustang has lost displacement, it went from 4.6L up to 5.4L for years then dropped back to 5.0L. You can absolutely make more power without adding to engine size, you said it yourself, boost. But besides boost there are many nuances of engine construction that play majorly with engine performance and balance, but that's irrelevant right now.

Big words dont make your point more valid.
You CAN NOT FEASIBLY add horsepower to a car already producing almost 100hp per liter. A highly highly tuned NA ilx 2.4 should push 240hp. That is only 49hp more and that 49hp would take thousands of dollars to gain. Not worth it really when people will just complain THAT isnt enough.
Yes a turbo could add on to that but now we are talking ANOTHER thousands of dollars. How much do you want to pay for an ILX? 40grand?

lilly said:
Also the modern turbo renaissance isn't about power its about efficiency, and the fact that before turbo power numbers are so poor is more reflective of how choked and neutered modern engines are by emission regulations.

Can't do anything about emission regulations. I live in Cali and get the blunt of it. It is what it is but this has nothing to do with our argument when all manufacturers are regulated the same.

lilly said:
You want to know why people dont care about these small cars? Becasue they dont get a chance to. Acuras branding is completely fragmented, Integra to RSX to CSX to ILX now. While its twin has been CIVIC since forever. Do you see how that becomes a problem. Think about it this way, as a person if you were changing your name every few years who would trust you? Why should i get to know someone who cant even be consistent with their identity? I will agree the RSX was unpopular, but the Integra was taken to extremely well. The RSX was unpopular however BECAUSE it replaced the Integra.

You have to understand that technically all the cars you mentioned ARE CIVICS. The Integra is a sport civic coupe. The dash is near identical and the motors go back and fourth from gen to gen and trim to trim.
The RSX IS the Integra. No RSX is Japan, its the Honda Integra... if the Integra is a civic then the rsx is a civic in respect.
The CSX overseas was known as the a Civic. The ILX is a CSX and we all know the ILX is a civic in a tux. In the end its all the same shit with different names and clothing. Not trusting Acura for name branding in different territories is ignorant. All companies do it more than youd expect.

The Integra was NOT taken extremely well. People hated the lil fwd integra in America. The bug eyes KILLED it. It wasn't until they started getting molested as rice heaps did people start to see their potential. I personally loved them but not until the Gen3 was a decade into life.

lilly said:
See, when you make decisions based on the past you unfortunately aim backwards.

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